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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:01 am Post subject: Sasuke x Hinata : Sixth Theory - Imperial Regalia |
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Scribble: The author reserves the right to modify this theory accordingly, depending on the recent events in Naruto manga and/or for theoretical development. Please be guided that this is only a theory and not a fact.
This theory will attempt to relate Sasuke and Hinata to the Imperial Regalia of Japan.
The Imperial Regalia of Japan are the three sacred treasures that Amaterasu gave Ninigi-no-mikoto upon his descent from heaven to pacify Japan. The three treasures are composed of the following: Kusanagi no Tsurugi (grass-cutting sword), Yata no Kagami (octagonal mirror), and Yasakani no Magatama (jewels); each represent a virtue based on Buddhist thought.
Kusanagi no Tsurugi
Kusanagi no Tsurugi is the sword obtained by the storm god Susanoo after he slain the eight-headed serpent Yamata-no-Orochi. This sword was later offered to Amaterasu as gift of reconciliation.
Sasuke carries his own Kusanagi after training under Orochimaru.
Kept in Atsuta Shrine in Nagoya and representing the virtue of valor, Sasuke may now have the courage to face his infamous brother and his past.
Yata no Kagami
In Naruto manga chapter 297, the Hinata cover says:
| Quote: | | She sets out for the sun, its golden light her beacon. |
The octagonal mirror was used to lure the sun goddess, Amaterasu, out of a cave. According to myth, Amaterasu saw her reflection and was then convinced to end the darkness of the world.
Kept in the Grand Ise Shrine in Mie, the octagonal mirror represents the virtue of wisdom. Hinata may now have the ability to judge based on her own principles.
The shape of the mirror is also comparable to the bagua (eight trigrams) as shown by the Hyuga divination field. In Chinese geomancy, the bagua balances positive qi (energy) to bring harmony in the different aspects of a person's life. With the mirror, the bagua can nullify negative qi and bring about balance.
Generally, there are three types of bagua mirrors:
(1) An octagonal wood or plastic with the eight trigrams surrounding a round mirror in the center;
(2) An octagonal wood with an octagonal mirror and a glass covering painted on the inside with the taijitu (yin yang) symbol surrounded by the eight trigrams;
(3) A combination of the door gods and the bagua mirror. This is sometimes portrayed by a god holding a staff and riding a tiger. Above this figure are the eight trigrams.
Sources, L to R: (1) www.rising-dragon.co.uk ; (2) and (3) www.dragon-gate.com
The Hyuga divination field closely resembles the second type.
Comparison of a speculated* image of Yata no Kagami and the Hyuga divination field.
Original image - Top left, source: www.japan-zone.com
* There are no known actual photographs or images of the Imperial Regalia as they are not publicly shown. Only the ascending emperor and certain priests are allowed its view.
Yasakani no Magatama
The magatama jewels were hung along with Yata no Kagami outside the cave where Amaterasu **.
The magatama are curved, comma-like jade beads that have a perforation at the thick end. Their true symbolism is uncertain, but are often likened to half-yin yang, among others.
Source: www.en.wikipedia.org
The head priest of Tamatsukuri Inari Shrine in Osaka once developed a philosophy.He postulated that if there is a good fit between two magatama to form a yin yang, a good fit between two souls, there may be social and marital harmony.
**The magatama yin may be portrayed by the divination taijitu symbol of Hinata, which appears at the same time with the bagua.
The magatama yang may be portrayed by the Sharingan tomoe of Sasuke.
Kept in the Imperial Palace in Tokyo and representing the virtue of benevolence, a possible relationship between Sasuke and Hinata may be one bound by unqualified love.
Similarly, if Sasuke and Hinata both represent parts of the Imperial Regalia, their union may represent an Imperial Family as well.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: The Uchiha and the Nin-cats |
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Scribble: The author reserves the right to modify this theory accordingly, depending on the recent events in Naruto manga and/or for theoretical development. Please be guided that this is only a theory and not a fact.
In Naruto manga chapter 354, Sasuke encountered two nin-cats living in the Uchiha weapons storehouse.
| Quote: | | Denka, Hina... How have you two been? |
Denka is a Japanese honorific attached to one with royal title. It is roughly equated to Royal Highness.
In poetry, Hina may mean princess; it could also mean empress, based on the the traditional empress doll (called o-hina-sama), displayed in homes along with other Imperial Court men during Hinamatsuri (Japanese Doll Festival).
Empress: Hinata?
Page 07 shows a cat with its right paw raised. The maneki neko, commonly known as the lucky cat or beckoning cat, is a bobtail of Japanese folklore believed to bring good fortune.
Legend of the beckoning cat tells the story of how an Emperor was saved by a cat from being struck by lightning. The Emperor felt in debt with the cat and pronounced that cats should be respected and considered sacred.
The following image shows how Sasuke offers to pay his debt to the Elder Cat.
In early Japan, bobtails were considered pets only of those with nobility status.
Emperor: Sasuke?
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: The Phoenix and the Dragon |
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Scribble: The author reserves the right to modify this theory accordingly, depending on the recent events in Naruto manga and/or for theoretical development. Please be guided that this is only a theory and not a fact.
The Phoenix and the Dragon are also symbols of the Imperial Family.
The Phoenix is particularly associated with the Empress.
Phoenix?
Possibly depicted on a rooftop where Team Konoha met before they separately searched for Sasuke in a renewed attempt to retrieve him. Hinata was one of them.
On the other hand, the Dragon is associated with the Emperor.
A recent chapter showed Sasuke performing a katon jutsu distinctly taking the form of the Dragon.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: Murasaki |
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Scribble: The author reserves the right to modify this theory accordingly, depending on the recent events in Naruto manga and/or for theoretical development. Please be guided that this is only a theory and not a fact.
In Japanese culture, the color purple (murasaki) is the color of the Imperial Family. Production of murasaki was expensive, possibly due to scarcity of resource, such that only those of nobility status can afford them.
Naruto II showed that Hinata’s jacket has changed to purple (with light grey) worn with blue capris.
Said change color-complemented the outfit of Sasuke well.
Sasuke's Team Hebi also wear outfits with hues of purple and blue.
Incidentally, the Japanese term shiden (literally, purple electricity) may also pertain to flashes of lightning, a resemblance to Sasuke’s jutsus Chidori and Chidori nagashi.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Dadaiko |
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Scribble: The author reserves the right to modify this theory accordingly, depending on the recent events in Naruto manga and/or for theoretical development. Please be guided that this is only a theory and not a fact.
For lilmissf-ingsunshine of NarutoForums.com, who suggested a closer look at a Meiji Doll Altar.
Source: Kyoto National Museum, www.kyohaku.go.jp
Above is an example of a seven-tiered display of hina-ningyo during Hinamatsuri. A set of hina-ningyo includes an Emperor, an Empress, court members and a diverse array of furniture, cooking tools and carriages.
From the image given, note that the fourth tier included dadaiko.
Source: National Museum of Ethnology, www.minpaku.ac.jp
Dadaiko is a pair of drums used in gagaku (traditional court music). The drums are hung in a frame and are intricately decorated. Each drum is associated either to the left (saho dadaiko) or right (uho dadaiko).
The saho dadaiko is red, bears the mitsu-domoe (three tomoe) emblem with images of the dragon on both sides. This drum is surmounted with a sun design;
the uho dadaiko is green, bears the futatsu-domoe (two tomoe) emblem with images of the phoenix on both sides. This drum is surmounted with a moon design.
While few literature seem to interchange assignments of the position (left/right) and heavenly body (sun/moon), the following are nevertheless consistent*:
1. Red dadaiko : mitsu-domoe : Dragon
2. Green dadaiko : futatsu-domoe : Phoenix
*So far, with the exception of the first image posted above (which used reversed colors - red with futatsu-domoe/green with mitsu-domoe).
Emperor: Sasuke?
The highest level of the Uchiha Sharingan is red with the mitsu-domoe.
This theory proposes that Sasuke may portray an Emperor, which is symbolized by the Dragon.
Empress: Hinata?
The Hyuga Divination field glows green (anime only as of yet) with the taijitu symbol. The taijitu symbol is, by appearance, very similar to the futatsu-domoe.
This theory also proposes that Hinata may portray an Empress, which is symbolized by the Phoenix.
Disclaimer
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Manga published by Shueisha. Anime produced by Studio Pierrot.
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| Quote: | | There is no connection between Lightning Gods Mitsu-Tomoe Drum and Taijitu Yin Yang Symbol, which means there is no connection between Hinata and Sasuke in any way... |
Maybe there is no connection between them MYTHOLOGICALLY, however...
It doesn't mean they will never interact in reality. _________________ Love for the weak; Peace for the broken; Mercy for the lost; Freedom for the hurt. |
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FreakInside: Although, I already am well aware of the points you said (which have been depicted on the cover of manga chapter 341), I'd still like to extend gratitude for the feedback!
This theory is named Imperial Regalia because of the following: kusanagi, yata no kagami and yasakani no magatama - all of which have been discussed above. These three are the sacred treasures of the Japanese Imperial Family; upon which discourse brought me down to the main members of the said family: the Emperor and the Empress.
| FreakInside wrote: | | ... The reason why Sasuke has Mitsu-Tomoe and Lightning Elemental Attacks is because he is Raijin(Lightning God) and Naruto is Fuujin(Wind God)... |
This theory simply explores other possibilities.
Indeed, both mitsu-domoe and lightning are associated to Raijin but they are not limited to him.
The mitsu-domoe aside from Raijin:
- three-fold division of Heaven, Earth and Man
- identified with the Shinto Trinity
- Hachiman Crest (Hachiman is a god of war)
- traditional symbol of Okinawa; appears as the crest of Ryukyuan Kingdom
- common crest of clans, dojos and drums
Lightning/thunder associations aside from Raijin:
- Susanoo, the God of Storms and Seas who had slain Yamata no Orochi and obtained the kusanagi.
- Asian dragons are associated to the weather and are considered as harbingers of storm.
| FreakInside wrote: | | The reason why Sasuke has Mitsu-Tomoe and Lightning Elemental Attacks is because he is Raijin(Lightning God)... Not Emperor... |
Within the context of the theory: the mitsu-domoe is associated to the Emperor because the tomoe resembles the magatama, one of the Imperial treasures.
I never used the generalization that because Sasuke has the mitsu-domoe and the lightning affinity he portrays an Emperor. At least not in the manner you are implying because I actually took into account his kusanagi as well. Theoretically,
tomoe (as magatama) + kusanagi Emperor
half yin yang (as magatama) + bagua (as octagonal mirror) Empress
| FreakInside wrote: | | ... Sasukes Sharingan act like Raijins Drum(If you look at the Raijin, he has several drums on his back), not a Dragon... |
Within the context of the theory: the mitsu-domoe is associated to the Dragon because incidentally, both the mitsu-domoe and the Dragon is incorporated in one of a pair of drums used in traditional Imperial Court music.
mitsu-domoe + Dragon = one of two drums used in Imperial Court music Emperor (symbolized by the Dragon, which is believed to be a harbinger of storm)
futatsu-domoe + Phoenix = the other drum used in Imperial Court music Empress (symbolized by the Phoenix)
I also never said his Sharingan acts like a Dragon.
| FreakInside wrote: | | There is no connection between Lightning Gods Mitsu-Tomoe Drum and Taijitu Yin Yang Symbol, which means there is no connection between Hinata and Sasuke in any way... |
One of the basic concepts of mitsu-domoe is similar to yin yang:
mitsu-domoe - Heaven, Earth and Man;
taijitu - Heaven and Earth
Heaven is yang, Earth is yin and the third tomoe corresponds to Man. This is where I derived the maybe/maybe not connection of Sasuke and Hinata.
| FreakInside wrote: | | No, your theory is wrong,... |
I welcome and respect any view as this is only a theory. Therefore I may be right, wrong, halfway or neither.
Danko Kaji: Thank you!
NOTES
Considering possibilities:
There is also the likelihood that Sasuke represents the three treasures by himself:
- Sasuke’s weapon is the kusanagi
- Yata no kagami is an octagonal mirror. Sharingan is translated as copy wheel eye, and has replication abilities akin to a mirror;
- Yasakani no magatama closely resembles the tomoe of the sharingan.
The three doujutsus may also share the Imperial Regalia:
- Sasuke’s weapon is the kusanagi
- The Hyuga Clan divination is the bagua, which in reality may also take the form of an octagonal mirror similar to yata no kagami
- In one image of a Rin'negan user, the person was seen wearing a necklace of six magatama (yasakani no magatama). Please see manga chapter 373, page 03.
My apologies that I have to edit this a couple of times because I don't want to cause more confusion. Thank you for dropping by. |
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| FreakInside wrote: | No, your theory is wrong, The reason why Sasuke has Mitsu-Tomoe and Lightning Elemental Attacks is because he is Raijin(Lightning God) and Naruto is Fuujin(Wind God)... Not Emperor...
Sasukes Sharingan act like Raijins Drum(If you look at the Raijin, he has several drums on his back), not a Dragon...
The Huugya Clans is based on Taoist... Jyuuken hou, Hakke Rokujuu Yonshou!, which means "Eight-Trigram Palm, 64 strikes" proves it...
There is no connection between Lightning Gods Mitsu-Tomoe Drum and Taijitu Yin Yang Symbol, which means there is no connection between Hinata and Sasuke in any way... |
Wow, jerk much? I think a new hobby is in order here. |
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| HinaMatsuri wrote: | | Wow, jerk much? I think a new hobby is in order here. |
I prefer to give him (her) the benefit of the doubt that he (she) didn't read the original contents of the theory; or he (she) did but misunderstood it. If its neither of the said cases and he (she) chooses to disbelieve then he (she) is entitled to it and that will be respected. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Warning: Chapters 392 and 393 spoilers!
Itachi's jutsu Susanoo was seen to have carried the Imperial Regalia in the following forms:
Sakegari - a fictional katana said to be the ultimate counter to the Kusanagi. Sakegari was used to pierce and seal Orochimaru making it analogous in symbolism as the Kusanagi.
Yata no Kagami - used as a supernatural shield.
Magatama - worn by Susanoo as earring/s.
Itachi's Imperial Regalia is briefly compared to the Sasuke-and-Hinata version in Supplemental Theory 04 - Of Whole and Halves: http://nocturnaltravel.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=1124&highlight=#1124
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Kuchiyose: San Juu Rashoumon
This theory postulates that Sasuke may portray an Emperor.
Another possible hint, although indirect to Sasuke, may be depicted by Orochimaru’s Kuchiyose: San Juu Rashoumon.
Rashoumon (literally, castle gate) was the gate built in the ancient cities of Heian-kyo (present-day Kyoto) and Heijo-kyo (present-day Nara), and both served as main entrance to the Imperial Palace grounds.
Rashoumon is also known as Demon Gate. This may be due to its (then) poor reputation as refuge of thieves and a place where corpses were abandoned.
In mythology, Rashoumon is where the demon Ibaraki resided. Minamoto Raiko (also Minamoto Yorimitsu), a legendary warrior believed to be a demon slayer at the same time, asked his retainer Watanabe no Tsuna, to hang a talisman over the gate to ward off the rumored demon. Upon his arrival at the gate, however, Watanabe noticed Ibaraki and both got caught in a battle where the demon lost an arm.
A statue of Bishamonten is said to have been originally placed in the Rashoumon of Heian-kyo. Bishamonten is the strongest of the Four Heavenly Kings (Shitenno) and is guardian of the North (this is a separate tradition and does not correspond to Chinese mythology). He is usually depicted holding a spear in one hand and a small pagoda in the other, and is also known to expel demons.
Hence, it may seem that a collective myth behind the gate is protection against demons. The gate being adorned with a demon’s face (in Naruto) may serve the purpose similar to the Japanese gargoyle (onigawara) which, although demonic in appearance, is used as talisman against evil*.
Ironically used by villains (so far), note that Orochimaru summoned the three gates to protect himself from Naruto who was in the four-tailed-demon form; Sakon/Ukon also used the same summon against Kiba/Akamaru who were in their beast form.
* The Seventh Theory - Demon Queller postulates that Sasuke may also portray a demon/evil fighter (http://nocturnaltravel.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=157)
NOTES
Bishamonten is also associated to Hachiman as both are considered protectors of warriors. As mentioned in a previous supplemental theory, the Hachiman crest is the mitsu-domoe, which in turn also appears in the Sharingan.
(Source, left: ballaratkarateclub.com.au)
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Warning: Chapter 409 Spoilers!
With reference to
| FreakInside wrote: | ... The Huugya Clans is based on Taoist... Jyuuken hou, Hakke Rokujuu Yonshou!, which means "Eight-Trigram Palm, 64 strikes" proves it...
There is no connection between Lightning Gods Mitsu-Tomoe Drum and Taijitu Yin Yang Symbol, which means there is no connection between Hinata and Sasuke in any way... |
With an initial reply of
| july_winter wrote: | ... One of the basic concepts of mitsu-domoe is similar to yin yang:
mitsu-domoe - Heaven, Earth and Man;
taijitu - Heaven and Earth
Heaven is yang, Earth is yin and the third tomoe corresponds to Man. This is where I derived the maybe/maybe not connection of Sasuke and Hinata... |
Alternative outlook of the relationship of yin yang (left) and the mitsu-domoe (right) from the manga:
Yin yang, as primary composition of chakra:
Yin - Dark - ?* - Physical
Yang - Light - 精 - Spirit
Mitsu-domoe, as composite chakra:
The basic principle of yin yang stands still, but with the addition of the third tomoe, 自 - Natural. Natural energy is fictionally defined as the surrounding energy from the earth/ground and the atmosphere/air.
In actual symbolism, the third tomoe may represent:
(1) the union of yin (地, earth/ground) and yang (atmosphere/air**), as what seems to be referred to in the manga;
(2) mankind, as used in the theory.
* Pardon author's knowledge in kanji ^^
** Author has yet too see raw manga. Air written as 空 is synonymous to sky which is a metaphor of yang; unsure about atmosphere.
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Confusion and Clarification
Uchiha katon jutsu made references to the Dragon (symbol of the Emperor) and the Phoenix (symbol of the Empress), which may mean that, by themselves, the Uchiha already may represent an Imperial Family.
Ryuuka no jutsu (龍火の術) means Dragon Fire Technique;
Housenka no jutsu (鳳仙火の術) means Phoenix Immortal Fire Technique. However, the “phoenix,” written as 鳳, specifically refers to the male phoenix.
The Chinese feng huang/Japanese hou-ou (鳳凰) - the Phoenix that which symbolizes the Empress - was initially a combination of the male (鳳) and female phoenix (凰) and was later on merged as one. It is also a symbol of the union of yin and yang.
From this perspective, Uchiha references to symbols of Imperial power seemingly lacks the female match.
Uchiwa and a Pun
Uchiha is written as うちは, where は is “ha”.
The Uchiha clan crest, uchiwa - as a word - is actually written as うちわ, where わ is “wa”.
However, under a certain rule, Uchiha (うちは) may be read as Uchiwa. In Japanese, “wa” is written as:
1. わ- “wa”, if it is used as part of a word. Example: kawaii かわいい cute
2. は - “ha”, if it is used as a particle. Example: kono hon wa ~ この本は ~ This book is ~
Based on (2), Uchiha may be read as Uchiwa if “wa” is used as a particle. Example: uchiha sasuke uchi wa sasuke うちはサスケ
Let:
uchi, うち 中 or 内 obsolete terms for “Emperor”
Hence:
uchiha sasuke uchi wa sasuke うちはサスケ 中はサスケ or 内はサスケ Emperor is Sasuke (may apply to Uchiha members in general)
Again, Uchiha representation may be inclined to epitomize the Emperor or the male counterpart of the Imperial Family.
Other Notes
The Third Theory – Four Celestial Emblems (http://nocturnaltravel.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=135) also attempts to associate the Uchiha to the Dragon; Uchiha Madara as Ryujin, the Dragon God/King of the Sea.
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