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 Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: Sasuke x Hinata : Third Theory - The Four Emblems |
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Scribble: The author reserves the right to modify this theory accordingly, depending on the recent events from Naruto manga and/or for purely theoretical development. Please be guided that this is only a theory and not a fact.
Important Notes: This theory is based on the Chinese Guardians of the Four Directions. Each creature represents a compass direction, color, season, an element and virtue among others.
*Some elements herein are slightly different from the Five Elements of Japanese Mythology and should not be confused with it. Nevertheless, an attempt to associate Sasuke and Hinata will be done without considering the Chinese classical elements different from the Japanese classical elements to avoid confusion.
* Byakko, the White Tiger
Source: www.ise-miyachu.co.jp
- guardian of the West
- represents the season autumn/fall
- element of Metal*
- virtue of righteousness
Genbu, the Black Tortoise
Source: www.ise-miyachu.co.jp
- guardian of the North
- represents the season winter
- element of Water
- long life and happiness
Seiryuu, the Blue Dragon
Source: www.ise-miyachu.co.jp
- guardian of the East
- represents the season spring
- element of Wood*
- virtue of appropriateness and conformity to tradition
Suzaku, the Red Bird
Source: www.ise-miyachu.co.jp
- guardian of the South
- represents the season summer
- element of Fire
- knowledge
There will be two parts of this theory:
Part One: The White Tiger and the Blue Dragon
Part Two: The Black Tortoise and the Red Bird
The White Tiger and the Black Tortoise represent characteristics of yin; while the Blue Dragon and the Red Bird represent characteristics of yang.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: Sasuke x Hinata : Third Theory - The Four Emblems I |
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Scribble: The author reserves the right to modify this theory accordingly, depending on the recent events from Naruto manga and/or for purely theoretical development. Please be guided that this is only a theory and not a fact.
The first part of this theory deals with the possible portrayal of Byakko, the White Tiger by Hinata and Seiryuu, the Blue Dragon by Sasuke in Naruto.
The White Tiger and the Blue Dragon are the ancient symbols of yin yang, respectively.
The Byakko, the White Tiger is believed to be the Lord of the Mountains and is King of all Animals. It crouches in the dark, keen and its true powers well hidden.
Tiger eyesight is one of the most accurate in its league. Generally, the eyes have two light-sensitive cells - the cones (enables one to see colour) and rods (enables vision in light or dark conditions). Having more rods than cones, tigers therefore have good vision even with little light; they also have the ability to bulge their eyes, allowing them to gain better view of their surroundings. For this very same reason, however, tigers can see very little colour. Few of which include glowing colours of blue, green, yellow and various hues of gray only.
The Hyuga Byakugan share similar characteristics.
Note that when this kekkei genkai is activated, the iris bulges, allowing the user to see far distances and depths as well as increase the ability of insight. The normal vision then shifts to hues of gray except for glowing colours of chakra (usually blue; Neji saw the red chakra of Kyuubi during his fight against Naruto).
The White Tiger is also portrayed (not at all times) to have flames on certain parts of its body, usually the shoulders.
Sources (L to R): www.ise-miyachu.co.jp ; www.geocities.com ; www.matsudo-jinja.com
Whether the Hyuga is indeed symbolized by the flame (the same symbol is very common throughout the Country of Fire), it is noticeable that only Hinata seems to wear it – on her kimono and on the sleeves of her former jacket.
? White Tiger and Kirin ?
The White Tiger replaced the Japanese Kirin in the original representation of the Celestial Emblems because of the astronomic significance of the White Tiger. Although the Kirin shares some characteristics as that of the White Tiger, it's appearance is closer to that of the unicorn.
The Blue Dragon (may also be Green for the colour of spring), on the other hand, is believed to be a deity of Heavens and is a symbol of the Emperor's Power. In art, dragons are depicted with clouds or water, as they are said to be the harbingers of storm.
The portrayal of Sasuke as a Dragon may be epitomized by his elemental affinity with lightning, a natural weather phenomena commonly accompanying storms.
Despite it's close relations to water, the Blue Dragon, however, does not have elemental affinity with it.
It has been shown that Uchiha training with katon jutsu were performed near a body of water; however, they do not necessarily seem to have elemental affinity with the latter.
The Ryukyu Islands in Okinawa is said to have been named after Ryugu, the Dragon Palace believed to be submerged in the seas of the archipelago. In Ryukyuan history, the mitsu-domoe is a symbol of Ryukyuan flags and it still stands as one of the symbols of the City of Okinawa.
Similarly, the mature Sharingan is characterized by three tomoe.
Source: en.wikipedia.org
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| Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: Sasuke x Hinata: Third Theory - The Four Emblems II |
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Scribble: The author reserves the right to modify this theory accordingly, depending on the recent events from Naruto manga and/or for purely theoretical development. Please be guided that this is only a theory and not a fact.
The second part of this theory deals with the other possible portrayal of Genbu, the Black Tortoise by Hinata and Suzaku, the Red Bird by Sasuke in Naruto.
The Hyugas are close combat fighters. When an opponent happens to be within the range of their divination, Hyuga attacks are most likely successful. The Hyuga divination field appear to be the bagua with the taijitu symbol at the center.
The flag of South Korea is quite similar, only having four trigrams instead of eight.
Literally, the divination field looks like the carapace of a Tortoise. Ancient China believed however, that the first bagua inscriptions were found on the back of a Tortoise. Tortoise shells were then used for divination or foretelling the future - also called Tortoise shell divination.
This is similar to the ability of the Byakugan to predict an opponent's next move. Indirectly, Neji makes predictions of situational outcomes as well.
The Black Tortoise has elemental affinity with water. It is said to live underwaters but rises about every few hundred years to see the sun.
In the Naruto manga chapter 297, the Hinata cover says:
| Quote: | | "She sets out for the sun, its golden light her beacon." |
The Black Tortoise is also known as the Black Warrior. More often, some say that the guardian of the north is actually a Tortoise and Serpent; few say a Tortoise and Crane.
? The Tortoise and the Serpent ?
Ancient China believed that there were no male Tortoises. Thus female Tortoises were left to pair with the Serpent.
The hand seals for activating the Byakugan shows that although long hand seal methods are different for Hinata and Neji, both end in the Serpent seal; it's short method is simply the right index Serpent seal.
Simply picture Hinata and her (Tortoise shell) divination, simultaneously performing the (right index) Serpent seal to activate her Byakugan.
? The Tortoise and the Crane ?
A Japanese proverb says that the Tortoise and the Crane are symbols of long life. It is common in Buddhist art to see a Crane standing on a Tortoise, usually as decoration in temples.
When a Hyuga is standing, somewhat on top the (Tortoise shell) divination, see how Hinata can represent a Crane; Neji, a caged Crane.
The Red Bird is associated to the fire element.
Similarly, the Uchiha has the ability to control fire.
The cursed seal transformation of Sasuke resembles a human but with avian characteristics.
Even the name of the lightning technique used by Sasuke is associated to Birds- Chidori literally means thousand birds.
The Uchiha secret meeting room also has drawings of what seemed to be a winged figure. In the anime, the wings appeared to be red.
? Ho-o ?
The Red Bird is sometimes confused with Ho-o, the Phoenix, although they are two different entities. A very common portrayal of the Ho-o is that with outstretched wings, a snake in its talons. In chapter 344 of the manga, Sasuke told Orochimaru:
| Quote: | | "You'll have your chance to fly, Snake... in the talons of a hawk." |
The Red Bird is also represented by Itachi's Akatsuki ring, Scarlet. Perhaps this symbol is just another common ground that the siblings share.
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| ok im still a little confuse..... but i get wat u saying |
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| baka_dark wrote: | | ok im still a little confuse..... but i get wat u saying |
Thank you for the feedback.
Hinata may be an indirect representation of the White Tiger and the Black Tortoise, which epitomizes characteristics of yin;
On the other hand, Sasuke may be an indirect representation of the Blue Dragon and the Red Bird, which epitomizes characteristics of yang.
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Ano... July_Winter...I believe I found something else on this theory. (Maybe...) I wonder will it be of use...
| Quote: | "From Wikipedia"In the classic novel, Journey to the West, Xuánwǔ was a king of the north who had two generals serving under him, a "Tortoise General" and a "Snake General." This king had a temple at Wudang Mountains in Hubei, thus there is a "Tortoise Mountain" and a "Snake Mountain" on the opposite sides of a river in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei.
In Taoist legend it was said that Xuánwǔ was the prince of a Chinese Emperor. However, he was not interested in taking the throne, but decided to study in Tao's way. At age 15, he left his parents to search for enlightment in Tao's way. It was said that he eventually achieved god status and was worshipped as a god of northern sky. |
Um, do you think it sounds a little familiar? I mean... when I read this, I immediately thought of Hinata... but since this is a guy here it threw me off. But Hinata wasn't interested in being leader of her clan and wanted a harmonious life, but when she met Naruto she wanted to train like him and impress him. Maybe sooner or later Hinata will achieve Hyuuga Clan leadership? Or will she pass it on to Neji or Hanabi...?
| Quote: | | "From Wikipedia"As many Chinese legends speak of certain animals becoming demons over time as they gain knowledge, that's what the tortoise and snake became, and terrorized people. As Xuánwǔ, now in his god status, heard of this, he came and slayed the demons from his past. However, he did not kill them, as the snake and tortoise demons showed remorse. He let them train under him and atone for their wrong doings, and they became the "Tortoise General" and "Snake General", and they assisted Xuánwǔ with his quests. |
Hmmm... Sasuke and Itachi gained knowledge and became "ruthless monsters", Hinata (with the possiblity of finally retaining her clan rank) most likely has heard of this threw Naruto...
Notes For This ARC
---Possibilites of Hyuuga VS Uchiha? (Sasuke VS Hinata...sadly Hinata's got no chance...lol)
---Hyuuga's can read people...is it possible Hinata could read Sasuke? See his pain?
---If Hinata can beat Sasuke, with his lusts for power...would he want her training?
---Is it possible that with Sasuke could represent a snake? (His groups name is Hebi) and Itachi got some sort of slowness to him... lol Could he represent a turtle...? Not to mention his facial marks.
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Well, it's just a guess though...I'm sure it doesn't connect right...
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| HinaMatsuri wrote: | Ano... July_Winter...I believe I found something else on this theory. (Maybe...) I wonder will it be of use...
| Quote: | "From Wikipedia"In the classic novel, Journey to the West, Xuánwǔ was a king of the north who had two generals serving under him, a "Tortoise General" and a "Snake General." This king had a temple at Wudang Mountains in Hubei, thus there is a "Tortoise Mountain" and a "Snake Mountain" on the opposite sides of a river in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei.
In Taoist legend it was said that Xuánwǔ was the prince of a Chinese Emperor. However, he was not interested in taking the throne, but decided to study in Tao's way. At age 15, he left his parents to search for enlightment in Tao's way. It was said that he eventually achieved god status and was worshipped as a god of northern sky. |
Um, do you think it sounds a little familiar? I mean... when I read this, I immediately thought of Hinata... but since this is a guy here it threw me off. But Hinata wasn't interested in being leader of her clan and wanted a harmonious life, but when she met Naruto she wanted to train like him and impress him. Maybe sooner or later Hinata will achieve Hyuuga Clan leadership? Or will she pass it on to Neji or Hanabi...?
| Quote: | | "From Wikipedia"As many Chinese legends speak of certain animals becoming demons over time as they gain knowledge, that's what the tortoise and snake became, and terrorized people. As Xuánwǔ, now in his god status, heard of this, he came and slayed the demons from his past. However, he did not kill them, as the snake and tortoise demons showed remorse. He let them train under him and atone for their wrong doings, and they became the "Tortoise General" and "Snake General", and they assisted Xuánwǔ with his quests. |
Hmmm... Sasuke and Itachi gained knowledge and became "ruthless monsters", Hinata (with the possiblity of finally retaining her clan rank) most likely has heard of this threw Naruto...
Notes For This ARC
---Possibilites of Hyuuga VS Uchiha? (Sasuke VS Hinata...sadly Hinata's got no chance...lol)
---Hyuuga's can read people...is it possible Hinata could read Sasuke? See his pain?
---If Hinata can beat Sasuke, with his lusts for power...would he want her training?
---Is it possible that with Sasuke could represent a snake? (His groups name is Hebi) and Itachi got some sort of slowness to him... lol Could he represent a turtle...? Not to mention his facial marks.
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Well, it's just a guess though...I'm sure it doesn't connect right...
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Oh wow! New more info and stuff on theories!!!! Cool
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Oh dear, if there was a Sasuke vs Hinata fight I think I would cry...
I mean, Sasuke's overpowered... Hinata, well, she's not really weak, but she's not really strong...
Maybe her Byakugan would come to an advantage that will help her survive?
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| HinaMatsuri wrote: | | Ano... July_Winter...I believe I found something else on this theory. (Maybe...) I wonder will it be of use... |
Thank you for the feedback! Unfortunately, I don't think they really match.
Journey to the West:
- Xuan Wu (literally, Black Tortoise) left his family.
- The tortoise and the snake, which came from Xuan Wu himself, became demons who eventually changed their ways.
Hinata:
- theoretically, may portray Genbu, the Black Tortoise but did not leave her family. She might leave in the future for whatever reasons, but I don't think she would do it on her own. (Of course, I could be wrong).
- Genbu, the Black Tortoise is also known as the Black Warrior, which is said to be a Tortoise and a Snake. Contrary to Journey to the West, there is no question about Hinata being good.
You may notice I only relate the Black Tortoise/Warrior to just Hinata. That's because theoretically, Sasuke and Itachi may be related to the opposite, Suzaku, the Red Bird.
BONUS! When looking at just the Black Warrior, the Tortoise is yin and the Snake is yang (think of it as the inner yin yang). Sasuke can fit Snake; the question is, will Hinata fit Tortoise?
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| Quote: | | BONUS! When looking at just the Black Warrior, the Tortoise is yin and the Snake is yang (think of it as the inner yin yang). Sasuke can fit Snake; the question is, will Hinata fit Tortoise? |
Hinata most definitely fits the role of the Tortoise!
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| InvisibleAciren wrote: | | Quote: | | BONUS! When looking at just the Black Warrior, the Tortoise is yin and the Snake is yang (think of it as the inner yin yang). Sasuke can fit Snake; the question is, will Hinata fit Tortoise? |
Hinata most definitely fits the role of the Tortoise! |
Why do I think she suits that role?
It's been said many times, also on this forum, that Hinata symbolizes YIN.
SO, if Tortoise is Yin, and Hinata is Yin, Hinata is Tortoise.
Does that make sense?
Well, if I'm wrong, forgive me...
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Another small tidbit.
When Uchihas perform the Katon Attacks, the hand signs end with the tiger seal.
And like it was mentioned earlier, Hyuugas activating the Byakugan use the snake seal last.
Hinata- tiger
Sasuke- snake
It's like they reflect each other. 
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| Danko Kaji wrote: | Another small tidbit.
When Uchihas perform the Katon Attacks, the hand signs end with the tiger seal.
And like it was mentioned earlier, Hyuugas activating the Byakugan use the snake seal last.
Hinata- tiger
Sasuke- snake
It's like they reflect each other. |
Thank you for the input! 
While what you're saying may be possible, I feel compelled to disclose that the reason I excluded comparison of the hand seals is that Tiger (katon seal) does not directly correspond to (Tortoise and) Snake (byakugan seal) in a strictly yin and yang perspective.
Dragon (Sasuke/Uchiha) : Tiger (Hinata/Hyuga)
Red Bird (Sasuke/Uchiha) : Tortoise/Snake (Hinata/Hyuga)
edit: I had just finished posting another way of looking at Tortoise and Snake, this time with the snake as Sasuke and Red Bird as Itachi, which I long have played thoughts with out of the blue: http://nocturnaltravel.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=1096#1096
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I knew that.
That's why I don't like to bother with 'logical' facts, but I meant the reflection in an abstract and coincidential way.
It's like the two are one and the other, they continue to cycle each other without even connecting once. The two never touch yet they parallel each other perfectly.
Thanks for responding to my post, July_winter. 
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Among the three ‘clans’ bearing the three doujutsu, it is the Hyuga Clan (Byakugan) that has enjoyed old age.
This theory postulates that Hinata and the Hyuga Clan may represent the Tortoise and the Crane. As previously stated, the Tortoise and the Crane symbolize long life.
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Assumption: Let Birds = Cranes
Sasuke and Chidori
Sasuke’s lightning techniques are specifically named chidori, literally thousand (chi) birds (dori/tori).
Using the assumption, Sasuke  thousand cranes
Senbazuru/Zenbazuru - Thousand Origami Cranes
The art of folding one thousand paper cranes has long been practiced in Japanese history. Accomplishing this is said to cure one’s illness or grant one a long life (the crane is a symbol of longevity).
Hinata and Zenzai
From Databooks 1 and 2, one of Hinata’s favourite foods is zenzai. Its pun, senzai, literally means a thousand years.
Note also that the Hyuga uses the metaphor of birds.
Again, using the assumption, Hinata thousand years + cranes
The crane is said to live for a thousand years.
This theory also proposes that the Hyuga may symbolize the tortoise (divination field) and the crane (the Hyuga standing within/seemingly 'on' it).
The crane, specifically the tancho, is also a common motif of Japanese weddings because cranes are believed to be devoted partners in life.
Speculatively, both Sasuke and Hinata may embody long life. And if given the chance, perhaps the to-be revived Uchiha Clan.
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