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Sasuke x Hinata : Second Theory - The Five Elements

 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject: Sasuke x Hinata : Second Theory - The Five Elements Reply with quote

Scribble: The author reserves the right to modify this theory accordingly, depending on the recent events from Naruto manga and/or for purely theoretical development. Please be guided that this is only a theory and not a fact.


Important Note: This theory is based on the Five Elements of Japanese Mythology. It is slightly different from the Five Elements of Chinese Mythology and should not be confused with it.

The Five Elements based on Japanese mythology:

... fire > wind > sky/heaven > earth > water > fire ... (cycle)

The Five Elements of Naruto:
In Naruto, sky/heaven is seemingly specified as lightning.

... fire > wind > lightning > earth > water > fire ... (cycle)


The elements fire and sky/heaven are associated with yang.

The Uchiha specialize in the element of fire.



Consistently, this is manifested by Sasuke as well as the element of lightning (chidori).



Note that the element sky/heaven in Japanese myth is synonymous to lightning in Naruto.


The elements water and wind are associated with yin.

The Hyuga are yet to show any elemental affinity, if at all. Note, however, that the Hyuga divination field is similar to the bagua, the ultimate device in Chinese geomancy (feng shui, literally wind water).



Wind and water are believed to direct qi (energy) - wind carries energy, representing the principle of change and transformation; water withholds energy, representing stability and inner strength.

One filler arc pointed out that Hinata uses water to sharpen her absolute defense but it is still considered unofficial.




The element left out is earth which may either be viewed as:

1. The balance of yin and yang together; or
2. A metaphor of yin that is matched by sky/heaven metaphor of yang.


NOTES

(1) During the chuunin exams at the Forest of Death, Team 7 was given the scroll of Heaven.



(2) Orochimaru gave Sasuke the Seal of Heaven. Kimimaro has the Seal of Earth.





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Naruto is a property of Kishimoto Masashi.
Manga published by Shueisha. Anime produced by Studio Pierrot.


Last edited on: 01 February 2010. Reason: Minor entry edit.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

soo... u think hinata is yin if she is a water user and sasuke is a fire user n that's yin n yang? but wat does the scroll have to do with anything all the other teams has the same scroll
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

baka_dark wrote:
soo... u think hinata is yin if she is a water user and sasuke is a fire user n that's yin n yang? but wat does the scroll have to do with anything all the other teams has the same scroll



I hope July_winter doesn't mind, I'll explain the theory to you. You see, the most common elements for Yin and Yang are Water and Fire. If Kishimoto truly presents that Hinata is the representation of water, then we'll practically have an offical. But even if Kishimoto decides that water is not her element, Hinata is still a likely canidate for Yin, due to her colors (hair and eyes) and personality. Not to mention, wind appears to be on Neji and Hinata's side, because wind is an element for Yin as well.

On the Heaven and Earth Scroll, July_winter was just pointing out that Sasuke appears to be full-blown Yang, because everything for him, appears to fall inside the category of Yang. Personality and all. lol

Am...am I correct July_winter..? Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

baka_dark wrote:
soo... u think hinata is yin if she is a water user and sasuke is a fire user n that's yin n yang? but wat does the scroll have to do with anything all the other teams has the same scroll


Thank you for the feedback.

It still is unknown if Hinata will ever manifest any elemental affinity. Hopefully, she is a water user.

In the chuunin exams, the rule goes that all teams are to receive either a Heaven or Earth scroll; the teams were tasked to steal from others the scroll that they do not have.

Important Note: Heaven is yang ; Earth is yin.

Team 7 received the scroll of Heaven, which means that Sasuke consistently fits the definition of yang. It was never shown what scroll Team 8 received. IF Hinata is yin, they should have received the scroll of Earth.

HinaMatsuri wrote:
... On the Heaven and Earth Scroll, July_winter was just pointing out that Sasuke appears to be full-blown Yang, because everything for him, appears to fall inside the category of Yang. Personality and all...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is said that team 8 recieved the heaven scroll.



but this could speculate something else, I don't know haha =P
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mysticwish123 wrote:
it is said that team 8 recieved the heaven scroll.

...


Thanks for the correction!

Henceforth, the following statement found in post #4 is declared FALSE.
july_winter wrote:
... IF Hinata is yin, they should have received the scroll of Earth...


AT 'OPPOSING ENDS' ?

Mysticwish123 wrote:
... but this could speculate something else...


This may (or may not) be another look at it Wink

Team Seven
Given scroll: Scroll of Heaven, of which they lost to Orochimaru.
Last scroll: Scroll of Heaven. After obtaining a Scroll of Earth from Sound nins, the team had to search for the scroll akin to their original one to complete the exams.


Amongst the Konoha teams who passed the exams, they made it to the tower last.


Team Eight
Given scroll: [Presumed] Scroll of Heaven.
Last scroll: Scroll of Earth.


Amongst the Konoha teams who passed the exams, they made it to the tower first.


* Although they may have been given the same original scrolls, note the last scrolls they obtained.



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Five Elements based on Chinese mythology:
... fire > metal > wood > earth > water > fire ... (cycle)

The polarity (i.e. yin/yang) of the Chinese classical elements are a given. However, note again the difference between the Chinese and Japanese Five Elements philosophies.

The Five Elements based on Japanese mythology, and perhaps as used in Naruto:
... fire > wind > sky/heaven > earth > water > fire ... (cycle)


First theoretical assumption:
1. Metal = Sky/Heaven ; Wood = Wind

This relationship may be found by taking a closer look at the eight trigrams; each of which has a corresponding classical element based on I Ching.

The Bagua (King Wen "Later Heaven" order, as seen in the Hyuga divination field) -


Among the last two correlations, it may be observed that:
- the trigram of Sky/Heaven is correlated to the element of Metal
- the trigram of Wind is correlated to the element of Wood


Important note: The polarity of a trigram is entirely different from the polarity of the element.
Trigram polarity is determined by looking at the 'host' line whereas elemental polarity is determined using phase movement.

Since there are literally no Metal and Wood elements in the Japanese philosophy, the polarity of the corresponding trigram (if any) is considered.

Second theoretical assumption:
2. Wind is yin.

While Wind may be correlated to the the element Wood (yang), the trigram polarity is specifically yin.

Third theoretical assumption:
3. Sky/Heaven is yang.

While Sky/Heaven may be correlated to the element Metal (yin), the trigram polarity is specifically yang. This is also consistent if Sky/Heaven is used as a metaphor of yang as Earth is yin.

Fourth theoretical assumption:
4. Japanese element Sky/Heaven = Naruto element of Lightning (in Bagua, synonymous to Thunder)

Based on trigram polarities, regardless if such an assumption stands true or not, Sky/Heaven and Lightning are both yang.
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